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DEAD THINGS (6x13)
A review by Mikelangelo "MikeJer" Marinaro

Writer(s): Stephen DeKnight
Director: James A. Contner
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What we have here is an episode that takes the last four episodes, sheds them of all their bad material, but retains their admirable qualities. Then, it adds an intellectually and emotionally powerful wallop on top. This episode represents quite possibly Buffy's finest example of intensely complex psychological development. This thing is dense with content, superb writing, thought-provoking character actions, and emotion and is one of my favorite Buffy episodes in its entire run. Also, due to its near complete focus on character over its sparse plot, its the type of episode I watch TV for.

As I just mentioned, the plot of "Dead Things" is actually quite bare, and it works in the episode's favor. I also, of course, love the continuity with "Doublemeat Palace" (6x12)'s (6x12) 'paralysis' metaphor, which I'll get into a bit later. The basic idea of the plot has the Trio being able to make any woman they want their sex slave, but their plan goes awry when Warren's ex-girlfriend Katrina (from "I Was Made to Love You" [5x15]) awakens from the spell early. The rest of the episode and plot are completely driven by complex characters and how they react to this situation. It's where the characters intersect where things get particularly messed up for everyone.

"Dead Things" starts off with an intriguing conversation pouring out Buffy and Spike. What's so intriguing about it is its casual nature, which is something that really never happened before -- at least not out of her. Buffy's starting to get really attached to Spike, and not just sexually. Spike postures, "Do you even like me?" Buffy responds genuinely, "sometimes." Spike is continuing to show signs that, although currently content with what he's getting, he still wants more than just physicality from her. Spike asks her if she trusts him. Although her response is "never," we're quickly shown to be unsure if that's really the truth.

This comes into question when we observe Buffy rubbing her wrists then hiding them when talking with Tara. This is not only a symbolic connection with "After Life" (6x03), but is also indicative of the fact that she likely let Spike actually use the handcuffs on her. It's worth noting that it's only now -- after her most recent, particularly risquee, encounter -- that she decides to investigate why Spike's chip won't work on her. She wants confirmation that she came back wrong so she she can continue to indulge in her behavior without feeling so guilty and dirty about it. I feel the need to quote her from "Once More, with Feeling" (6x07): "This isn't real. I just want to feel."

After missing out on valuable time with Dawn due to her recent frequent absences from home life, Buffy retreats to the familiar balcony of sadness to ponder her life. Intriguing to note is the connection between "I Only Have Eyes for You" [2x19] and "Dead Things:" Buffy's need to forgive herself is a major theme of both episodes.

It's here where Spike tries to pull Buffy even closer to him, and further away from her friends. Is this a nice thing for him to do? No! But Spike is a soulless being who, despite feelings to the contrary, is still out for himself in the end. He wants Buffy to be even closer to him and genuinely believes that she wants to let go of her old life completely. Spike later admits (in "Normal Again" [6x17]) that he had it wrong here. While he thinks he's pushing her to let go of all her inner turmoil, all he's really doing is putting Buffy in more.

Spike works his hands up Buffy's leg and starts feeling her. Buffy tells him "don't," to which Spike says "stop me." This moment has raised quite a bit of debate amongst people. The way I look at it is that Spike is not being good at all here and is taking advantage of the situation Buffy is in. However, I think Spike genuinely feels that Buffy wants this. The fact of the matter is that Buffy is physically stronger than Spike and can stop him at any moment. If Buffy really didn't want Spike's advances on her, she'd definitely put up more of a fight than the faint nos and "don't" she's been putting out there. Buffy's clearly getting some sort of satisfaction out of this relationship, whether or not it's healthy for her.

So, I don't feel Spike's taking advantage of her sexually here, but I do think he's taking advantage of her mentally. He reinforces this by telling her not to close her eyes -- to enjoy what she's doing so close to her friends. This entire situation is incredibly complex and holds no easy answers. Spike's in the wrong here but his intentions are very much not to hurt Buffy, despite how he's blind to the fact he is hurting her. At this point he feels Buffy desires his world and that she'll be much happier if she just fully gives in, sans guilt, being with him.

The focus on Buffy's face during this very intimate scene is telling. We get a varied range of mixed expressions from her: pleasure, worry, pain, sorrow, gratification, and resignation. Right before Spike goes in, Buffy's face displays her sadness in continuing to give in -- a sadness she finally lets out to Tara at the end of the episode. The word to describe this state is paralysis, which was the theme of "Doublemeat Palace" (6x12) and a wonderful setup to some of the issues tackled here.

Later on at night, we see Buffy walking up to Spike's crypt where they end up feeling each other's presence from opposite sides of a stone door. This is not only their most romantic moment to date (likely ever), but it's also massively symbolic of the divide that exists between them. Buffy's able to resist herself from actually entering the crypt, and almost thankfully gets distracted by several time-distorting demons. What I particularly like about these demons is that they're merely a quick catalyst to move the characters' development forward. The whole idea that they have the ability to displace time, or, as Anya puts it, create a "localized temperal disturbance," works so well because it's just so wonderfully symbolic of Buffy's state of mind: fractured.

In the midst of the time wonkiness caused by the demons, Buffy takes an unintentional swipe at what appears to be Katrina (although it's really Jonathan using a magic glamour). I feel the reason why Jonathan's Katrina swap works is because we're already hinted to the Trio's plan from the start. I commend the writers for not playing cheap games with the audience here. The intent is to keep pushing Buffy into a corner and then see what she'll do. This event is devastating to her. Instead of "waking up" from her rut, she pulls an internal "Becoming Pt. 2" (2x22) on us and wants to hide in her own shell, effectively abandoning her life and its associated troubles as it's all become way too much for her. Buffy uses her apparent accidental killing of Katrina as a loosely legitimate excuse to turn herself into the police.

On the surface this appears to simply be another method of disappearing and being free of her life, which is what "Gone" (6x11) introduced us to. Here, though, Buffy isn't simply looking to be free of her life, but also to wallow in her sadness and the feeling that she should be punished for her actions with Spike. The only place she could get away with doing that would be in prison, where she has no one -- no friends -- to help her (as they will later in the season). This development sets up her actions to come in "Normal Again" (6x17). I'll talk about this more in a moment.

First I have to think about Buffy's disturbing dream sequence. I have a few ideas of what it all means, so I guess I'll just go frame by frame and say what I think is going on. It begins with Spike in her bed saying "It's alright, love. It'll be our little secret." This seems to simply be a reiteration of Spike's attempt to get Buffy to stay in the dark with him, which prove his comments during their balcony sex are definitely causing her pain and conflict.

The next dream flash leads us to Buffy having sex with Spike in his crypt with her on top, in sexual ecstasy, and him in handcuffs. Buffy looks very animalistic here, which connects us with Spike's comment at the beginning of the episode: "I've never been with such an animal." Although Buffy proclaims that she's not an animal, the dream here proves to herself (and us) that she's certainly been acting like an animal at times -- acting on impulse alone.

We then see Katrina, out in the woods, lying on the ground and also wearing handcuffs. Buffy asks her, "do you trust me?" The fact that both Spike and Katrina have handcuffs on them is very important, as it connects Buffy's disgust with her animalistic impulses overriding her duty as the Slayer (and as a sister and a friend). Spike is supposed to be her enemy, but that's all been turned upside down in her mind -- instead of killing the handcuffed "criminal," she's secretly boning him. Katrina, on the other hand, should be able to trust Buffy, but is also in handcuffs.

Now we quickly see Spike on top of Buffy going at it, but then quickly flash to Buffy hitting Katrina, thereby firming the connection in Buffy's mind between her selfish actions with Spike leading to the lapse of her duty to protect the innocent from harm. This all comes together to the root point when we see Buffy staking Spike, while nakedly on top of him, but instead of killing Spike she kills Katrina. I think Buffy's guilt here is that she feels the sexual escapades with Spike have caused her to disregard her calling as the Slayer. Instead of protecting the innocent, she's killing them. This is why she wakes up with the desire to turn herself into the police -- she feels she deserves to be put away for her actions. This, along with the fact that turning herself in would be a way to seemingly escape the burdens of her life. I also think that part of this imagery is tied to her subconcious knowledge that she's also treating Spike poorly. In essence, she's all messed up inside over what's right, what's wrong, and what her moral code even is anymore.

The final image we see in the dream is of Katrina's eyes opening, but it's not Katrina anymore (as can be seen by the foggy eyes). This is clearly representative of the fact that the "Katrina" Buffy hit and is feeling guilt about was not really Katrina. Buffy's slayer instincts are still working underneath all her confusion. This is why the moment Buffy hears that the victim's name was Katrina, she instinctively knew the death wasn't her fault. What a great dream sequence!

Buffy then wakes up determined to turn herself into the police, but stops by Dawn's room to explain herself first. A bit earlier we see Buffy has genuine sadness when Dawn would rather be with a friend's mom than herself, which seems to cause her to have a brief realization that their connection has really diminished. Although she hates the disconnect, she can't seem to bring herself to proactively fix it either. This is the very definition of a rut. Thankfully, though, Dawn later proves that she still very much cares about Buffy.

Dawn shows us this by proving that she's not completely oblivious to what's going on around her when she hears that Buffy wants to indulge in another form of disappearance. While Dawn may be right when tells Buffy, "You didn't want to come back. I know that. You were happier where you were. You want to go away again," she's dead wrong when she emotionally claims that Buffy can't stand to be around her. Dawn's being very short-sided here and clearly doesn't have the emotional and intellectual maturity yet to grasp what is happening around her. Instead of proactively trying to help Buffy in her situation, we instead see Dawn take this "it's all about me" attitude most of the time. This is something that I can hardly blame of a girl Dawn's age, especially considering what she's gone through, and I feel it makes for an interesting dynamic for Buffy to deal with when going through all this.

Buffy calls turning herself into the police the "right thing to do." What's really going on here is that, instead of investigating what happened further and really thinking about what she should do about the situation, she panics over it and instead chooses to selfishly, yet with genuine sorrowful emotion, capitalize on this opportunity to -- as Dawn put it -- "go away." Furthermore, Buffy wants to turn herself in not just for the girl she thinks she killed, but for punishment of her recent actions with Spike. The problem with all this, though, is that Spike's not fooled one bit and tries to stop her.

When Spike gets in the way, Buffy's conflicted feelings start to really come out into the open. Buffy is disgusted with everything about herself right now. A bit of dialogue I found amusing and also enlightening is the simplicity of when Spike tells Buffy he loves her, once again. Buffy responds, incorrectly, with "no, you don't." Spike admits, "you think I haven't tried not to?" Buffy then whacks him across the street and responds, "try harder." It's amazing just how much is conveyed in those few lines and that one hard punch.

Spike tries to then bring up the 'tip the scales' argument, but he clearly doesn't comprehend the morality of the situation. Buffy responds with one area Spike's moral compass can't comprehend: "That's all it is to you, isn't it? Just another body! ... You can't understand why this is killing me, can you?" Her statement here is intriguing in more ways than one. First is that she's truly right: he can't understand her inner conflict because he's without a soul and could essentially care less about anyone not related to his wants. Second is that Buffy's subtly emoting the reality of this relationship: it's deadening, or killing -- a term used by Buffy in "As You Were" (6x15) right before she really breaks it off with him -- her soul.

It's interesting that when Buffy starts beating him, he fights back a bit. But the more Buffy digs inside herself and takes it out on Spike, the more Spike lowers his defenses and realizes Buffy needs an outlet for her emotions, so he allows it to be him: "Come on, that's it, put it on me. Put it all on me. That's my girl." That last comment, though, about being his girl, shocks Buffy into a rage in which she pummels him brutally and repeatedly until his face is barely recognizable. While doing this she yells out all kinds of horrible insults to Spike that, in reality, she feels about herself. The key quote: "I am not your girl! You don't... have a soul! There is nothing good or clean in you. You are dead inside! You can't feel anything real! I could never be your girl!" The parallels to what Faith went through in "Who Are You?" (4x22) are striking, although still uniquely different.

Spike's comment, "you always hurt the one you love," resonates and shocks through Buffy like it resonates through the entire series. In this one comment we, in quick fashion, are reminded of her history with Angel. Remember that her very first intimate encounter lead to her lover becoming the murderer and torturer of her friends. During that time period Buffy felt like it was her fault for setting Angelus loose and that she felt she didn't deserve forgiveness for it. The thematic ties with "I Only Have Eyes for You" (2x19) are really relevant, evident, and strong here. This entire scene is a critical moment in the season where Buffy really lets all her anger and disgust pour out -- and all onto Spike's face.

While Spike did everything he could to stop Buffy from walking right into possible prison, she goes anyway. Fortunately, Buffy connects the dots of the accident to Warren, and her anger, duty, and determination to find him thankfully supercede any current personal issues. The facts of the situation that are sitting in front of her are too overwhelming to ignore, as much as she'd love to just forget about her disastrous current life.

Although Dawn's still distressed, Buffy is, for the moment, back with her friends again. At the Magic Box we see Buffy repeat Spike's words, "you always hurt the one you love." Many people took this as meaning Buffy was admitting that she loves Spike. I don't see it that way. Going back to what I was talking about before, this comment speaks to Buffy's history as much as it does the present. I genuinely don't think Buffy loves Spike right now. I know she's confused about what her own feelings are and actually isn't even sure if she does or doesn't, but future S6 episodes prove she really doesn't love him at this point. With that said, there's no denying that she has come to greatly care about him. This is something that had its first seedling planted back in "Intervention" (5x18). This realization is why Buffy taking her anger out on Spike is as shocking to us as it is to her -- it shocks her into understanding that she does need to treat him like a real person. Soul or not, she has a relationship with him and he loves her in the only way he can. The part of Spike that is still human deserves recognizition.

All these important realizations lead to the final scene of the episode, which is potent, powerful, sorrowful, and emotionally gripping. It's also intellectually and ethically complex. Tara answers Buffy's question from the beginning of the episode, but it's the one answer she really didn't want to hear: Buffy did not come back from the dead "wrong." This means that everything she's been trying to ignore, push off, or escape responsibility for are extremely real. All the questionable things she's done aren't by some altered being, they're all from her and now she has absolutely no scapegoat to hide with. Buffy, herself, says it all: "There has to be [something wrong with me]! This just can't be me, it isn't me. Why do I feel like this? Why do I let Spike do those things to me? ... He's everything I hate. He's everything that I'm supposed to be against. But the only time that I ever feel anything is when ... Why can't I stop? Why do I keep letting him in?"

How about a huge shout-out to Tara in this episode! Tara is lovely, supportive, and totally there for Buffy. The end of the episode really gives them a bond they never had before. I'm particularly impressed that Tara takes the challenging road by telling Buffy it's alright if she really does love Spike, even pointing out "he's done a lot of good. And he does love you."

Buffy's response is pure honesty here -- she's not hiding anything from Tara and she's not holding anything back. Buffy admits that she's using Spike for her own selfish impulses and desires, saying she's "Using him? What's okay about that?" Tara does her best here to console an emotionally shattered Buffy by saying "it's not that simple." At this point it just doesn't help though. Buffy opens herself up to the hard painful truth and takes the burden in confessing, in sob, "It is! It's wrong. I'm wrong. Tell me that I'm wrong, please... Please don't forgive me, please..."

Buffy doesn't want to be forgiven here because if she was, it would validate what she feels, and largely is, very morally gray behavior. In this powerful final moment, Buffy wants to accept her wrongness and take real responsibility for her actions. It's a stunning first step to her recovery, but she's in no way out of the woods yet. In fact, living with this knowledge and continuing to accept her actions day by day will be a struggle of its own. This will come to a boiling point in "Normal Again" (6x17), where her epiphany will finally be reached.

So, now that I've discussed Buffy's development, I'm going to wrap up the review by discussing the major development the Trio gets. The opening sillyness of the Trio is a nice constrast to where the episode is headed. I also appreciate seeing Jonathan's growing frustration with the group. By the episode's end, he's going to quickly become very scared. The Trio's plan here is to "make any woman we want our willing sex slave." The tone in which this plan is portrayed is quite superficial, even jovial, almost as if we're actually watching one of those cheesy old-style supervillain movies where everything is so black and white you can't take it seriously.

What's scary here is that it actually somewhat coaxes me (along with Andrew and Jonathan) into treating what's happening on screen in a non-chalant manner. This casual setup is what makes the reality of the situation later hit much harder than it would have otherwise. The Trio's attempts to be cheesy supervillains turn out not to produce fantasy for them, but near-rape and then murder, thrusting them and the audience into the world of reality at lightning-quick speed.

Before using their device, Warren ends up pathetically attempting to hook up with Katrina again. It's interesting that he tries to get back together with her before using the cerebral dampener. It just goes to show that, while overall despicable, Warren does have a tiny shred of decency in him at this point. Somewhere buried very deep in there is an extremely misguided decent guy, one which will be completely lost the moment he kills Katrina.

Although dressing Katrina in the maid outfit is a tad over-the-top, it really works symbolically and reflects directly on Warren. Warren has just turned Katrina into the very thing he ran away from: the AprilBot from "I Was Made to Love You" (5x15). This robs him of the very reason why he ditched the bot: Katrina's life and personality. This is very, very sad to see. Warren's insulting his own memory of her even further when he points out to the group what he likes about her. But right now she's nothing more than an emotionless automaton. Hell, she's even more emotionless than the AprilBot. Warren orders hypno-Katrina to validate him several times by having her say she was wrong and that she loves him. The parallels to the AprilBot keep flooding in, which really constitutes excellent development and continuity.

Andrew and Jonathan are completely blinded by the reality of the situation with Katrina. There's a disturbing mix of emotions running through the two of them here: innocence, naivete, virginity, and the lack of a solid moral center. Jonathan's always been an abused nice guy, but as has been proven by the events of "Earshot" (3x18) and "Superstar" (4x17), he's got some serious issues and doesn't always know when he's crossing a moral line. That genuine lack of realization can be used for great evil, which he almost blindly commits here.

Katrina's anger of what's been made out of her is palpable. Of particular interest is Jonathan and Andrew's reaction to hearing that she was Warren's ex-girlfriend. Andrew's response to this sums it up perfectly: "Dude, that is messed up!" Katrina then perfectly sums up the Trio up until this point: "Oh, you think? You bunch of little boys, playing at being men. Well, this is not some fantasy, it's not a game, you freaks! It's rape!" This is the point when the reality of the situation finally comes crashing down on them, leaving them in remorseful shock.

Everything changes in an instant when Warren murders Katrina. All the sudden the Trio's in entirely new territory as villains. They're not cheesy annoying faux supervillains anymore. The reaction of everyone involved is important: Andrew's in shock, Jonathan's scared and enraged, and Warren quickly takes full dominance of the group by wrapping both of them in with his murder. When he turns his head quickly to Jonathan and yells "listen!," Jonathan isn't the only one creeped out. This is the first time Warren has ever been truly scary. The abrupt contrast to the goofiness of earlier episodes is what makes this moment work so well.

At the end of the episode they find out they're going to get away with the murder. Andrew seems excited and borderline thrilled, but Jonathan doesn't look so convinced. I think he's just going along with Warren because he's scared of what will happen to him if he doesn't -- Warren might go after him next.

Wow! "Dead Things" is an incredibly ambitious episode that ends on an admission of sorrowful guilt, but thankfully offers absolutely no reprieve, easy solutions, or light at the end of the tunnel. It's true to the troubles of real life in a way few TV shows are capable of providing. The episode ends in an emotional mess that's been spilled all over the floor and can only be cleaned up with a lot of gradual hard work and, most importantly, time (see "Something Blue" [4x09] for a lighter, but relevant, perspective on this). This is one of the most intellectually and emotionally gripping episodes of television I've ever witnessed due to its uncompromising ability to show the righteous hero largely in the wrong, the evil soulless demon largely in the right, and an utterly messy, complicated, and gripping conclusion that leaves aboslutely no hope in sight. We care about everything that's happening, too, because we know and love the characters and the episode is completely built off of fabulous continuity. If I had to sum up this episode in a couple words, I'd proclaim "unbelievably superb!"


- Minor Pros/Cons (+/-)
+  After setting up the cerebral dampener, Warren says "I know just where to start." At first I thought he was referring to Buffy, but it turns out to be Katrina. Nice little misdirect there.
+  Nice to see the Doublemeat Palace make another appearance. Yes, I know I'm the only one who feels this way. :p
+  Tara assuming there's something wrong with Willow again, not Buffy.
+  Andrew and Jonathan's utterly pathetic attempt at holding Katrina back.
+  The warm glance between Tara and Xander when passing by in front of the Magic Box.
+  The Willow/Tara scene is important in that it shows both of them still very much love each other.
+  Is Willow wearing the same coat she's wearing at the end of the season? When Tara says she's glad Willow's doing better, Willow's reaction isn't one of assurance.
+  Excellent use of music in the graveyard scene in which Buffy approaches Spike's crypt.
+  The screaming girl provoking a prompt "thank you" from Buffy to the power(s) above.
+  David Lynch reference! I've been watching too much Twin Peaks lately. :)
+  Jonathan's very clear dissatisfaction at his part in convincing Buffy she accidentally killed Katrina.
+  The little touch of how everyone carefully avoids the use of the word 'heaven' to describe where Buffy was during death, in fear of further hurting her.

- Quotes
TARA:  I have this sudden urge to dedicate my productive cooperation.
BUFFY:  Well, if you close your eyes and repeatedly smash yourself in the head with frozen meat, it'll go away. Eventually. I'm hoping.

JONATHAN:  Mad Dog Two to Mad Dog One.
ANDREW:  I thought I was Mad Dog Two.
JONATHAN:  Mad Dog Three to Mad Dog One.

BUFFY:  I'm home! Who wants to help scrape the grease off my... Is there singing!? Are we singing again?
XANDER:  Nope, just the dancing.

WILLOW:  Aw, rough day?
BUFFY:  Kinda.
XANDER:  You've been going at it too hard, Buffy. We hardly ever see you, what with slinging the double meat and pounding the big evil.
ANYA:  You are looking a little pounded... Just around the eyes.

DAWN:  I'm... sleeping over at Janice's?
BUFFY:  And I'm falling for that again because of the surprise lobotomy?

BUFFY:  I'll show them.
SPIKE:  Show them what?
BUFFY:  What did you do?
SPIKE:  I took care of it.
BUFFY:  What did you do!?
SPIKE:  What I had to. I went back and I took care of it. It doesn't matter now. No one will ever find her.
COP #1:  (O.S.) Where'd they find her?
COP #2:  The river. She washed up half a mile from the cemetery.
SPIKE:  Oh... balls.

ANYA:  Mm. The Rwasundi. Very rare. Um, its presence in our dimension causes a sort of... localized temporal disturbance.
BUFFY:  So that's why time went all David Lynch?
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- Score
100
P
Represents a "perfect" score. Is near-flawless (with zero major mistakes) and has a valuable lasting impact on the series; intelligent and emotionally gripping.

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- Comments (37)

1.MrB   Jun 1 2008
Glad to see the reviews back!

This episode does make up for *some* of the previous problem children eps.

Buffy seasons seem to have pivot point episodes. These are the places the season swings upon. In Season 6, the first pivit was Afterlife, then OMWF/Tabula Rasa, then really all the way to Dead Things. For here, it pivots to Normal again, and then on to the end.

These are where major directional change makes sense, and where things are cleared up. Due to the nature of S6, these are really big pivots, because they are all character driven, rather that arc driven. They actually have a bigger impact than some of the Arc driven pivots, such as Consequences in S3.

2.gabrielleabelle   Jun 1 2008
Yay!

Excellent review. Agreed completely with your most excellent analysis. I never picked up on the parallels with I Only Have Eyes For You before, but I can definitely see the connections since you pointed them out.

Few points...

- Love your take on the balcony scene. Yes, Spike was definitely not helping the situation. But he was TRYING to do what he thought would help. His lack of soul, though, prevents him from actually realizing that he's hurting her more.

- The scene where Buffy almost visits Spike's crypt is one of my favorite scenes in the series. No dialogue, but it's not really necessary. That one scene with the wonderfully appropriate song is enough to convey the connection between the two and the problems that come with it.

- "I genuinely don't think Buffy loves Spike right now. I know she's confused about what her own feelings are and actually isn't even sure if she does or doesn't, but future S6 episodes prove she really doesn't love him at this point."

I'm largely undecided on this point. I tend to lean towards your viewpoint simply because, with her mental state, Buffy wasn't in a position to love anybody romantically. She obviously feels affection for him (This much is obvious at the start of the season, though she shuts that off when things become physical). But love is something Buffy may not have even been capable of at that time in season 6.

3.bookworm   Jun 2 2008
Twin Peaks! Twin Peaks!
Squee at mention!
Sorry, sidetracked...

4.buffyholic   Jun 2 2008
Good to have your reviews back, mike. Itīs an excellent analysis and you made some great parallels that I didnīt even noticed. I totally agree with your perfect score, this episode is just mind-blowing. My favourite scene is when Buffy is beating Spike into a pulp because that tells a lot about her feelings and how she feels about herself.

5.jun   Jun 2 2008
I'd forgotten how much I enjoyed reading your reviews.

I've also found the comics, post No Future For You, to be disappointing. I'd almost rather see a Faith/Giles spinoff penned by Vaughan at this point than the current arc.

6.wilpy1   Jun 2 2008
Amazing review. I love your analysis of Buffy's psychology. Just remembering this episode is deeply depressing me. :P

Also, I'm very glad you're concentrating on series reviews rather than the comics. I agree that they're extremely disappointing, and not interesting/decent enough to generate good discussion.

7.wilpy   Jun 2 2008
I have to say I disagree that the door-feeling scene was the most romantic Spike/Buffy moment. I'd give that to their cuddle in 'Touched'. It's so lovely how they're just holding each other while everybody else is doing it like bunnies. It says a lot about how far the two came.

8.gabrielleabelle   Jun 2 2008
Just a further thought.

I'd kinda read Buffy's "you hurt the ones you love" line and the dream differently. In my view, a parallel was being drawn between Warren's objectifying of Katrina and Buffy's treatment of Spike (Thus, Katrina taking Spike's place in the dream). In saying that line, Buffy is comparing herself to Warren, who killed the girl that he supposedly loved. Given that particular interpretation, I see the episode as more of Buffy's realization of her treatment of Spike and how it's damaging to him and her. That's a large reason why I'm disappointed with the lack of follow-up to it.

But I like your take on it, too (And I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. It just demonstrates the wonderfully layered quality to the episode that there are many aspects to it). And your analysis is more focused on Buffy realizing the damage to herself with Spike being collateral, which does make more sense when taken with the episodes afterward.

(Also can I just say how wonderful the Trio scenes are? I was seriously disturbed when I first watched it and saw how light-heartedly they were treating the mind control thing as I saw it quite clearly as rape. I was almost losing faith in the show until Katrina snaps out of it and the entire tone of the scene changes. I love it.)

Eh, just some stuff I thought up while sleeping. Oh. Agreed with wilpy on Touched. Though I still would have liked a sex scene in S7 just on principle so that the show could break out of the habit of punishing Buffy for having sex, which I feel sends a horrible message out. But the cuddle scene in Touched is lovely.

9.mikejer   Jun 2 2008
Thanks for the comments everyone.

wilpy: I was actually thinking about that scene in "Touched," and it comes in a very close second for me. I'm totally with you though, that scene is just wonderful.

gabrielleabelle: I completely agree that all of this material can be interpreted in many different ways, and I love it for that.

As for the show occasionally punishing Buffy, I just don't quite see it the way you do. Buffy never got "punished" for being with Riley. It seems to me that she's not getting punished, but rather reaping the consequences of her actions (Angel not included -- that just wasn't her fault). Her fling with Parker and her escapades with Spike (even more so in her mental state), though, were poor decisions on her part.

I know you (and many) people have a real soft spot for Spike, but the series reminds us of his nature several times for a reason -- deep down he's not a great guy to everyone but Buffy. He's dangerous and soulless, and that's not someone you want a relationship with, at least if you want much of anything positive to come out of it. He's definitely better than most other vamps out there, but one has to think that if he ever had his chip removed while still soulless, it would only be a matter of time before he started killing again (although obviously it wouldn't be Buffy or anyone close to her). We get this evidence in "Smashed."

That's how I see it anyway. And don't get me wrong: I think Spike rocks too, and I'm certainly rooting for him. But it's not until he gets his soul back that I can fully trust that he can be a genuinely healthy partner, or friend, for Buffy. I think you'll find I get much more Spike-friendly once he gets his soul back. :)

10.AnonDK   Jun 2 2008
I don't usually comment on these reviews, but I just noticed a nice little parallel between Buffy and Spike physically trying to hold each other with the door in their way compared to their cuddling up over a year later-it's a nice symbol on the relationship's development :)

Well, I'm off to stalk in the shadows and continiously appraise you! Keep up the excellent work, Mike-I LOVE your reviews!

11.gabrielleabelle   Jun 2 2008
On the sex. Buffy has sex with Angel. He turns evil and kills people. End result, Buffy can never have sex with Angel, her bestest true love. Parker's not as dire, but it's not as big a relationship. Regardless, she has sex and is blown off as a result of it. Riley seems to be the exception that proves the rule for me. And Spike she has sex with. He tries to rape her as a direct result of the sex they had had. As a result, Buffy can never have sex with Spike because of the stigma. Seems like a pretty clear (Though surely unintentional) message to me. When Buffy has sex, bad things happen to her as a direct result of that sex. Therefore, Buffy's big romances cannot involve sex.

And I do agree that Spike's soul is important for his redemption (Very, very important). But my main issue with the show is that Spike makes an attempt to be good while soulless, but receives no positive feedback for it. Why does he even bother trying if he never gets anything from it? Yet he's constantly punished for the bad he does. And, yes, this is fangirlism kicking in because it makes sense in the show and it annoys me because it's "just not fair". But that's life, so oh well.

12.DarknessLostprophets   Jun 2 2008
My mind working over time hear but its implied that buffy has the handcuffs used on herself...but this isnt shown but it is with spike....i was thinking this could be interpreted along with the animalistic factor about the origins of the slayer and how she was infected whilst binded down....as you said buffy appears animalistic which follows on with what a slayer is...or the first slayer's opinion of mate feed kill repeat...the same thing....just a thought

13.mikejer   Jun 2 2008
gabrielle, you say that "Buffy's big romances cannot involve sex," yet you throw her relationship with Riley aside like it's a one-time deal. Riley was a huge relationship for her. Although he had his own issues, he was a nice guy and was a relatively healthy relationship for Buffy, therefore there were no dire consequences for her from it.

I suppose you can make the argument that the writers continued to have Buffy make poor relationship decisions, but 1 (Spike) or 2 (Parker -- Buffy did *want* a relationship with him) out of 4 hardly constitutes a pattern. The only time Buffy got unjustly punished for her actions is with Angel/Angelus, imo., but like you said, sometimes that's real life.

I'm going to stop here, because I can make my point until the cows comes home and, really, it's not going to matter. I mean, am I really going to ever be able to convince you otherwise? There's no defense against rabid fandom, as you yourself keep pointing out about yourself. ;)

Let's just say that I really don't believe it's as bad as you're making it out to be, both with Spike and with Buffy.

14.gabrielleabelle   Jun 2 2008
Eh, we're probably not gonna convince each other of anything on this one. Yes, Buffy makes some bad relationship decisions. No problem with that. But 3 out of 4 times she has a relationship, bad things happen to her as a direct result of the sex from it. It's not something bad vaguely happening after sex. Sex is the direct cause of it. And in two of those relationships, she ends up in a chaste romance with the guy because of the prior bad sex experience.

Riley is debatable primarily because looking at the series from outside the context of the show, Riley really ISN'T a big romance for her (How many hardcore Buffy/Riley fans are there?). Within context, though, yes Riley is a very important romance for Buffy. And I'm glad she had it. Again, he's just one out of four, unfortunately.

That being said, agree to disagree? And you're facing rabid feminism here rather than rabid fandom. ;)

15.wilpy1   Jun 3 2008
I'm not sure where I stand on this. While I don't think the writers were explicitly trying to say 'sex is evil and punishable', there were certainly consequences that stem from sex. However, these consequences seem to derive from the frame of mind both parties are in at the time. With Parker, she was naive and he was a predator. With Spike, she was using him and he wanted an emotional connection. The consequences aren't a result of the act of sex, but rather what different people want and expect from sex. I'd say the only case in which it can be interpreted that an external force appears to say "sex is wrong" is with Angelus.

I think it's also necessary to take into account other sex on the show. Willow/Oz, Xander/Faith, Xander/Anya, Faith/Wood, Willow/Kennedy, Giles/Olivia, Willow/Tara, Buffy/Riley.... All of these went without direct consequence, and it largely outweighs the couples who do suffer because of sex. It could be interpreted that Tara was shot because she had sex, or that Giles and Olivia lost their voices because they had sex, but that would be bordering on ludicrous, frankly.


16.gabrielleabelle   Jun 3 2008
As I said, I'm certain that the sex=bad aspect wasn't intentional. But it's hard to overlook the fact that Buffy, the star of the show, ends up in two major relationship where she's forced to refrain from a sex (Angel and Spike). In both of these cases, the reason behind this is directly because of sex that had gone on previously. Spike wouldn't have tried to rape Buffy if it weren't for the rough sex that they had had before. It was because of this attempted rape that the writers didn't let Buffy/Spike get too physical in season 7 (referencing Joss' comments in the Chosen commentary). Parker wouldn't have given her the emotional brush-off if she hadn't fallen into bed with him. And you get my point with Angel. In three cases in her sexual history, sex is the direct cause of some emotional or physical trauma for Buffy. Like I said, I'm sure it's not intentional. But it's there and it especially begins to frustrate me right around the end of season 6.

And if I were trying to argue that this is a huge statement on the part of the series, yeah I'd have to take the other couples into account. But I'm not really. Buffy's the star of the show. And, in her case, it seems fairly clear that sex leads to bad things with Buffy and that she's better off in a chaste relationship. And it irritates me to no end to see that in a heroine as we did have a sexual revolution some time ago, but I guess it didn't take.

17.wilpy   Jun 3 2008
I see your point, I really do.

However, take into account that in a drama there's need for conflict. Constant conflict. Conflict is what drives the characters, motivates them, and is the source of story for every episode. So when Buffy ever had sex, which had to be made into a big deal so as not to make her appear slutty, there's a whole range of possible story ideas that can deal with it.

I'm just trying to see this from a different standpoint. I agree the 'sex = consequences' message was not deliberate, but it's no surprise that it's underscored by the main character of the show. The main character demands the most conflict, and sex is the perfect set up for that. (And understandably so, given how sex is still generally seen in a bad light for some reason.)

18.gabrielleabelle   Jun 3 2008
Ah. You know, as long as you see my point, that's fine.

I really am a generally laid-back feminist, but the treatment of sex in society along with the horrible double-standard between males and females (Girls are "dirty" or "slutty" for having sex while a guy is just being a guy) is a topic that pushes my buttons. And I'm of the agreement that the issue of sex in Buffy is treated in a realistic way that doesn't stretch any credibility in terms of story or character. It's just the overall aspect of it that gets on my nerves (It reflects society a bit too much instead of presenting a more feminist alternative as I would like it to), though I certainly don't expect everybody to get riled up about it. But it is the reason I wanted an actual Buffy/Spike sex scene in season 7 as that would make me feel a little bit better in regards to how sex is portrayed. Instead, they do the admittedly sweet but rather frustrating "no-touchy" love affair (excepting the cuddling in Touched which was very chaste anyway).

Eh, let's just say I like my heroines to be empowered women. Physically, emotionally, and sexually. Buffy hits the first two. She doesn't quite make the third, unfortunately.

19.wilpy   Jun 3 2008
> "Ah. You know, as long as you see my point, that's fine. "
:P

Yes, I agree it's not fair that women have to be cautious about their sexual affairs in fear of being branded a slut. But for guys, it's like a male-slut is a good thing. It's so screwed up! It all boils down to age old traditions where men were rough and grr and grunts other noises, and drank ale and slept with bar matrons and hunted deer, and see above, re: noises. It's a stupid, competitive frame of mind. Meanwhile, women have to bring up the babies, and woe betide them if they step out of line. It's kind of infuriating. We're post-Y2K! We should've transcended our primitive nature after thousands of years of development.

20.llinnae   Jun 4 2008
hey Mike! just wanted to thank you for letting us in on your great insights. I just found your site and am overjoyed that there is someone else out there who gives this much thought to Buffy!:)
Unlike many people this is my all time favourite Buffy episode, so I really appreciated your review! Look forward to reading more to come!

21.ddo   Jun 4 2008
Hi,
I'm usually a lurker, but I've really been looking forward to this review, and you lived up to it (despite writer's block, it sounds like). I really enjoyed your analysis of Buffy & Spike's relationship. It's hard for me to put into words what is so interesting, complex, and strangely appealing about their relationship, and I think you analyzed it well. I think Dead Things is possibly the most intense, most psychologically challenging episode in the series, although there are several that challenge it in the sixth and second seasons (OMWF, Seeing Red, Normal Again).

One of the posters made a comment comparing Buffy's feelings about Spike to Warren's feelings about women in general. You didn't touch on this as much, but I think the reason Buffy is going through so much psychologically in this episode is because she is beginning to realize (emotionally) that Spike isn't just her robot/sex slave. He has thoughts and feelings, she is beginning to care about him, and that makes her feel worse about what she is doing to him without really feeling it. I think the entire relationship is a result of Buffy trying to feel something, anything, and she's the one that feels like a robot. She can't make herself realize that Spike is feeling something for her. She's making excuses that he likes the pain, that he wants a sex slave, but the truth is that Spike doesn't know what he wants. And that Spike doesn't realize how a relationship should be. She also is beginning to realize that Spike is an anomaly among vampires--a vampire with a bit of a human soul left in him. Basically, I think the Katrina/sex slave metaphor really works here, along with comparisons to the robot episodes, I Was Made to Love You and Intervention.

Hope some of that made sense. Are you going to do any more podcasts? Because I really enjoy your podcasts. That's how I found this site in the first place.

22.mikejer   Jun 5 2008
Thanks for the comments ddo. I'm glad you've enjoyed my podcasts as well.

The reason for the long lapse of reviewing was a number of factors: long hours at work, watching a lot of new TV shows (such as Twin Peaks and Dexter) and movies, and just an overall lack of motivation to write for a bit. Whatever the dominating factor, I've regained my focus again and am looking forward to getting the whole series done.

As for my podcast, well, I definately intend to do some more at some point, but my written reviews are taking utmost priority right now. I have several fun ideas for podcasts that I definately want to put out there though. In short: expect more, but maybe not for a little while.

On the parallels between Warren and Buffy, I think you definately make a good case. There's no doubt that at the end of the episode Buffy realizes she's using Spike, and that it's not okay. This ends up playing a large part in why she breaks it off with Spike in "As You Were" too.

23.Andrew Kern   Jun 5 2008
Mike: a couple comments:

You say that Intervention is when the first seedling of Buffy caring for Spike was planted. Perhaps, but the soil was fertilized in Fool For Love. I think that Spike's awkward but sincere expression of compassion was probably lost on Buffy at the time and it didn't really change anything in her view of Spike outwardly, but it gave Buffy's gratitude for Spike's loyalty something to grow in.

The final scene with Buffy and Tara is one of my favorites and I love your discussion of it. I'm pretty much a sap for any scene with SMG crying but this one is particularly powerful. AB's reaction when Buffy starts crying is also wonderful to watch. I think it's worth noting that Tara's probably the only person Buffy could have told about her relationship with Spike - and she really needed to tell someone. No one else would have been as compassionate or as objective. Anyway, you note that Buffy finding out she didn't come back wrong means that "All the questionable things she's done aren't by some altered being, they're all from her and now she has absolutely no scapegoat to hide with." I think Buffy learns from this, and from Tara's response, and applied a similar point the following season in Never Leave Me. Buffy wanted to fall back on an excuse to hide from reality, while Spike wanted to fall back on a mistaken understanding of reality (his true nature) in order to take an easy way out. But Buffy argues for him to take the more difficult (and accurate) way and live up to his potential, and responds: "Be easier, wouldn't it, it if were an act, but it's not. You faced the monster inside of you and you fought back. You risked everything to be a better man. And you can be. You are. You may not see it, but I do. I do. I believe in you, Spike." Besides being a scene to warm the hearts of Spike fans all over, I see it as an example of Buffy actually learning from her mistakes - as opposed to her usual tendency to find new ways to make them over again.

As for the most romantic Spike/Buffy moment, I wouldn't disagree fundamentally with Touched, but I'd offer up another possibility. There are many different points in their relationship in which they make a leap or particular connection: Fool For Love, Intervention, The Gift, Beneath You, Never Leave Me, Touched, to name some of them. But all of these, even Touched, are either a stepping stone to something further, or they're not both 'there' in the same way, or they back away afterwards. In Touched, they were 'there' in pretty much the same way. It's a genuine and beautiful moment, but when they next see each other at the house, they back away from it. Neither is really willing to really embrace it, to allow it to set the terms of their relationship. Instead, they awkwardly fumble around it, hide behind "the mission" and head out to be heroes. So my choice for most romantic Spike/Buffy moment is from "Chosen" when Buffy puts her hand affectionately on Spike's cheek. It's a simple, tender gesture (and it doesn't have the hint of neediness on Buffy's part in Touched). They are both 'there' in the same way, and far from backing away, they embrace that moment and lay again in each other's arms. I think that, more than Buffy's declaration of love later in the episode, this little moment is the apogee of their relationship (though on the basis of gabrielleabelle's discussion here and elsewhere I think a scene of them having sex might have been even better). Anyway, that's my rather fanboyish musing on the topic.

Finally, let me add to the appreciation of your thoughtful and stimulating reviews. I love them!

24.mikejer   Jun 5 2008
Andrew, thanks for the comments. I completely agree with your take on Buffy's reaction to Spike in S7. I genuinely look forward to getting to that material -- there's some gold there that's sadly overlooked by a lot of people.

Interesting choice on most romantic moment. I really can't say I disagree with any of the choices -- they're all fabulous moments. As for all of you wanting to see a Buffy/Spike sex scene in S7, all I'll say is that's why Whedon wrote that fade-out scene in "Chosen." For those who wanted to them to have sex there -- they did. For those who didn't -- they didn't. Some may see that choice as a cop-out but I, for one, loved it. I'll get into this more, though, when I review "Chosen."

25.gabrielleabelle   Jun 5 2008
Mike, I think you're missing the point as to why I would have liked a Buffy/Spike sex scene in S7 (I can't speak for any others that have expressed a wish for its inclusion). It's not really a shippy "Ooo I wanna see Buffy and Spike get it on" thing. I feel it would help the overall feminist message of season 7 to have Buffy and Spike make love with no real repercussions. Just sex without trauma. As it is, going by the definition of canon, they didn't have sex (Though Joss gave us fans an opportunity to think they did. If it's not onscreen, it's not canon. Truthfully, a sex scene can be inserted anywhere between scenes by a creative fanfic writer. Joss just pretty much outlined in bold where we were supposed to insert one if we wanted to).

And I do think that scene was a cop-out in fear of the reaction people might have had due to the rape scene in the previous season (Joss said as much, himself, in the commentary for the episode). The strange thing, to me, is that Joss probably felt he was helping the feminist message with this by not having Buffy fall into bed with the guy who almost raped her, which taken out of context does seem reasonable. But looking at the larger picture of the series as a whole, he just ended up hurting the metaphor more by once again having Buffy in a chaste romance where sex, or hell even kissing, is forbidden (Except in the minds of fans). Basically, if Buffy and Spike had sex in season 7, I wouldn't have nearly as many complaints about how sex is portrayed on the show as a whole, and I'd be more willing to see the show as being overall feminist with an empowered female lead. As it is, I don't. Besides, how appropriate would it be to have the show start out with Buffy having a disastrous sexual relationship with a vampire (Angel in S2) and then end the show with Buffy in a positive sexual relationship with another vampire? Would be a nice developmental bookend, imo.

You know, I feel like a perv when I go on about sex in the show like this. Sheesh. Truthfully, it's not something I would add to help the quality of the season overall (A sex scene wouldn't affect much of anything in that regard), but it would help the big feminist metaphor Joss was trying to make. The way things played out, Joss hit the right notes on some parts of feminism but completely missed on others. Points for trying, I suppose. I'm just pointing out the easiest way for it to have been improved in that regard.

26.mikejer   Jun 5 2008
gabrielleabelle, that fade-out in "Chosen" had a lot more deliberate implications than simply filling in the blanks the way you'd want in between any ol' episode. Regardless of that, it's clearly a big deal to you, and I respect that. Them having sex in S7 or not just doesn't affect how I see the season, or for that matter, the series as a whole.

27.gabrielleabelle   Jun 6 2008
Erm...I imagine it would be a big deal for a lot of people as the attempt at a feminist message is a big draw for the show (and a big source for discussion in the Buffy academic arena if the Slayage articles are any indication). But I understand if that's not your particular point of interest in the series. Fair enough. Everybody looks for and expects different things in their entertainment.

28.wilpy   Jun 6 2008
I do agree that Buffy and Spike having sex one last time would've heightened the feminist message, as Buffy sleeping with a completely redeemed Spike would've been the bestest symbolic F-U to the monster in soulless Spike that had tried to rape her. Also, as gabrielle said, making love without consequence would've been a female sexual liberation of sorts for this girl who'd often suffered because she'd had sex. I think a love making scene would've been neat.

With that said, I don't think the lack of their getting any diminishes the effectiveness of Joss' message of equality, which was expertly portrayed, in my opinion. It would've been nice to see, but it wasn't completely necessary as the real love Buffy and Spike were experiencing was glaring in each other's faces anyway.

I'm with gabrielle in that I wish Joss had confirmed if they'd had actually sex or not. Ambiguity's sometimes cool, like with the end of 'New Moon Rising', but it's different here. The "if you want them to do it, they did it; if not, they didn't" thing is so cheap to me. The Buffyverse was as real to the characters as this world is to us. Logically, it either did or did not happen, there's no subjectivism regarding the matter. (It's this kind of thing that makes me glad Joss ended the show when he did. I have a sneaking suspicion he was losing sight of things around that time.)

29.gabrielleabelle   Jun 6 2008
"I don't think the lack of their getting any diminishes the effectiveness of Joss' message of equality, which was expertly portrayed, in my opinion."

Ah, wilpy. I don't think we'll ever quite agree on that one as I see the message as being rather clumsily executed on the whole. But that's something best dealt with on the forums (Or, you know, when mike gets to the season 7 reviews...). Regardless, at least we seem to agree that a sex scene wouldn't hurt things and could only help the message overall, though we have differing opinions on how necessary it is for the feminist metaphor. :)

30.WorldWithoutShrimp   Jun 10 2008
Hey, I realize I'm a bit late to the party here, but thanks for the new reviews, mikejer! They are interesting and insightful as always.

As for "Dead Things", I agree with your analysis and assessment of the episode. Dear Lord, where would the season have gone if we had had another "Gone" or "Doublemeat Palace" at this slot? ;-) But anyhow, "Dead Things" is certainly one of the best episodes of the series. Fascinating stuff.

31.Barbara   Jun 15 2008
Hi, I'm glad you reviewed more episodes. I had checked every other day because I wanted more. LOL. Anyway, I have a question. When you were talking about the killing Katrina thing, you mentioned when Buffy broke it off with Spike. Are you saying that when she told him that their relationship was killing her that she meant the human part of her? Her soul? Also, I've watched that episode a few times and after Buffy beats on Spike she looks shocked or something after she's done and before she starts walking to the police station. Is she shocked by what he said or is she shocked because of what she did to him? Or maybe both?

32.robgnow   Jun 17 2008
Hi, Mike:

Like everyone else, I am happy to see new reviews! You make me think of things I may not have seen before (as I am generally bored by S6 - and I don't like how Marti has stripped Buffy of all of her power in this season). I'd like to talk about the Trio, though, because I feel like there is some major development here on their side of things.
Warren was, obviously, something of a creep before this. We can infer this by his needing to build a robo-sex-toy in order to get something he wants (you may say 'love' at first... but really THINK... Warren obviously needs a subservient woman), but it's really with this episode that we see an 'adult' evil from him. Before it was all cutesy plots and stealing and minor offenses. It's here though, that we see him willing to go to rape in order to dominate something he wants (Katrina).
Notice both Jonathon's and Andrew's reactions when Katrina breaks out of her trance and accuses them of what they were about to do, without thinking. By taking her will and "making her do things", it seems clear to me that Warren of the three kind of knew he was contemplating rape (though that remained unvoiced) while Andrew/Jonathon seemed truly shocked when it is voiced aloud.
I think at this point, for the two "junior members", they hadn't really thought through what they were actually about to do. Now, Andrew immediately sides with Warren, but I think it's really here with Katrina's near-rape when Jonathon realizes that his childish dreams of being a 'super-villain' left the comic book fantasy and enters the "oh my God, what I gotten involved in" stage. Andrew, still entranced and I would say in love with Warren, retreats from the harsh reality and is still in the "Hall of Doom" fantasy... he thinks it's "cool" when they're about to get away with murder. At this point, I don't think that Andrew though "REALLY" gets it... as is pointed out later in 'Storyteller', he's still in the comic-book frame of mind.
But, Jonathon is getting it. He's more mature than Andrew and Warren both. He finally starts to understand the type of person he's following... though he remains too weak to protest or walk away - he at least is seeing that he's not in a cartoon, Katrina was a real, breathing, human being and now she's not. It's here that he starts to understand that they're not just 'characters in a tv show' - so to speak. While, I truly believe, Andrew can still divorce himself from the 'real world' consequences of their actions. As to Warren, I think it's here that we truly see him as not just a "pathetic loser and social outcast" as when we found out he'd built April, but that he IS a sociopath.
Your analysis dealt with Buffy/Spike (as is natural, and there is a LOT going on there) but it's equally changing everything for Jonathon/Andrew/Warren as well.

33.robgnow   Jun 17 2008
To gabrielleabelle, RE: Spike

To me, the reason that Spike did the good he did, was not because he wanted to do good. It was because he wanted in Buffy's pants. To me, S6 was really saying "See how we got you to like Spike, how could you forget he's soulless? He doesn't have the same moral compass that most people do". In S5, we all forgot that Spike is a DEMON... but the writers didn't. Spike can do a lot of good, but its all for selfish reasons. He wanted Buffy, he couldn't kill people, ergo he'd protect them and ergo get positive feedback from Buffy (though I'd also argue that he does feel genuine affection for Dawn as well).
The second, though, that he could get Buffy using less than nice means (I see him manipulating her throughout S6 because of her mental/emotional trauma) he does, without a second thought or apology. It's here we're reminded that Spike IS an evil creature... the same way it was pointed out to us as soon as Angel lost his soul that he IS a demon, no matter what romantic blinders we want to put on to see them together.
As to the trio... yes! Wonderful shift in tone between just seeing the 'Trio', but more importantly Warren, as comical bad guys to genuinely horrifying. It's here (though I had already been saying, "Wait, isn't what they're doing...." before it came out on screen so explicitly) that we stop laughing at their 'hi-jinks' and start seeing them (or HIM, more specifically) as truly repugnant. And it leads directly to his picking up that gun, a very 'adult' evil. Surely, Warren was way ahead of Jonathon and, even, Andrew when it came to understanding the path he'd chosen to follow.

Rob

34.robgnow   Jun 17 2008
RE: The SEX!

I think that the problems that Buffy has had with intimate partners COULD (a lot of this is interpretation, after all) be a comment on being the Slayer. Nikki had a son, but no "partner"... Sid 'knew' a Korean Slayer, but obviously didn't feel any need to stick around, we don't know enough about the Chinese Slayer that Spike killed, but it seems that Buffy's experiences are actually a way of pointing out how the Slayer is apart from humanity (especially in the Buffy/Riley case).
Several times throughout the series (and even in the S8 comics) it's been mentioned that Buffy feels isolated and alone. Since Willow and Xander have both had long-term relationships (Tara was shot, Xander has a lot of baggage from him parents... it's not related to 'sex' per se), it seems that Buffy's problems really originate in her 'Slayerhood', and not because Joss wants to 'punish' her.
A running theme throughout the series, if you really look at it, is that even though Buffy is different from other Slayers (in that she has family and a support network) she still feels apart from them (see what she says to Xander and Willow in 'Selfless'). I can't, of course, be sure, but it seems to me that Joss is a very organized guy when in comes to the big themes. I think we can say that Buffy's problems with intimate relations is directly related to the isolation she cannot escape, even when in a room with her friends, because of her calling and this, naturally, is reflected in her love life.

35.gabrielleabelle   Jun 17 2008
robgnow, please excuse any exasperation that may come through in this comment here, but in regards to...

"it seems that Buffy's problems really originate in her 'Slayerhood', and not because Joss wants to 'punish' her. "

I KNOW. I have stated repeatedly that I do not think this message was intentional. I'm looking at the series from a feminist viewpoint in my complaint here. As I've also said, yes the bad sex makes sense in the context of the series. Still doesn't change the fact that it's there and, in view of the supposed feminism of the series, a sex scene in season 7 would have made me feel better about it.

I think some of my comments are being misunderstood, but I don't feel like debating them in the comments section anymore (just felt the need to respond since I was directly addressed). If you want you can bring it up on the forum which is more conducive to debate anyway, and I'd be more than happy to tussle it out there. :)

36.gabrielleabelle   Jun 17 2008
Oh, I worry that my last comment sounded snippy, which wasn't really intentional (Must stop posting as soon as I wake up).

Basically, I'm looking at this from a different viewpoint than what I think you are, rob. In feminist theory, the treatment of sex and how it is handled in terms of the female characters is pretty darn important. To look at the claim that Buffy is a feminist series (As Joss intended it to be and as it is seen to be by some people), then it's necessary to look at the handling of sex in regards to Buffy, the embodiment of what is supposed to be the empowered female. As I have pointed out (many times) above, it's not treated very well and never really shows any improvement by the end (which...not to harp on it or anything...a sex scene in season 7 would solve). That's my concern.

Please still feel free to take it up on the forum if you wish. It's sunshine and puppies there, and I do enjoy a good discussion (ask wilpy or Arana). Buffy debates via comment box aren't ideal.

37.Tic-Tac-Tic-Tac   Dec 30 2008
a mediocre episode of an awful awful season. Spike's buffy relationship and Buffy's character in this season and even the whole trio idea is just awful and boring. At the end of this episode with Buffy crying and all i was saying "I don't fking care". If this was much earlier and that was not the focus of the season , this episode would actually be good. Which it is for this season because the season as a whole is very very bad. Still in a better season this episode would have been even better.

So she feels desperation , depression , is using Spike , she can't accept him , because he is a vampire , when he wants to love her , she does not accept it and she wants it rough , but then she also feels guilt ,etc. Oh and she is also distant from her friends and Giles is away... Extremely Boring.The premise is bad , the idea arount season 6 is generally bad. This should be the focus of a few episodes and then things should have been different , but unfortunately this was not meant to be.

This season is a great way for one to understand why the previous episodes where good , by observing what is missing in this atrocious season.


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