rap is not music

rap is not music

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2011 Feb 25 at 16:16 PST
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Hooray. More people declaring music bad regardless of the fact that it's popular! We've been over this, Mr. Silly Hat, popularity is a primary determining factor for how good music is! People need to understand that when music isn't intended for them they're not supposed to like it. And if they did they'd be my dad. And he's a fucking weirdo.

It seems like many people think that when someone like Justin Bieber comes out with a new song they're be like: "Oh my god. This song rocks, dudes in their 20's and older are going to LOVE this." Justin Bieber isn't popular with anyone you give a fuck about Mr. Silly Hat! Why would you bother complaining about it?!
 
 
2011 Feb 25 at 17:46 PST — Ed. 2011 Feb 25 at 17:50 PST
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Then, declaring an entire music style 'bad' is worse. I do not in general enjoy rapping but I've heard good rapping. Then, I don't mean P-shit with his "Biatch bring me the beer or I'll kill this dude" but rapping itself is not bad. I'd link a good rapping song, sadly it's in Swedish.

I do not in general enjoy noise music but I've heard a good noice "song".

Then about the singers being "boring" backstage, that doesn't matter. As long as they make good albums/live performances I don't really care how their daily life is.
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2011 Feb 25 at 18:17 PST
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Well, maybe he really doesn't like any rap at all. That hardly matters. It obviously wasn't meant for him in the first place. I'm sure he also dislikes all jigsaw puzzles designed for 3-year olds.

He nearly directly states that if someone isn't getting drunk and high they are boring. So he's pretty much also retarded.
 
 
2011 Feb 25 at 18:51 PST — Ed. 2011 Feb 25 at 18:52 PST
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Lemmy uses express opinion! It's not very effective...

Aaronjer is confused!

Popularity does not determine how "good" the music is. Music that is popular yet objectifies women, places emphasis on material wealth, advocates drug dealing and glorifies violence is not good.

Now, of course I am not suggesting censorship at all. I don't like what they say but it is not up to me to decide whether they are allowed to say it (it's not really up to anyone). I decided a while ago that no one person can be an absolute moral arbitrator. On the other hand I can make some kind of value judgement on it, and I have. It's crap.

This is all ignoring the fact that the music in many of these cases is just manufactured, much like a factory line. I suppoe the part that annoys me most is that it's like audio tofu. There is far more interesting (and deserving) stuff out there!
 
 
2011 Feb 25 at 19:36 PST
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So... if you don't like the message in something that makes it bad overall? What? What the fuck? Why would you even say that? I don't even have words for how ridiculous that is. You seem to have trouble with this whole opinions thing.

Remember the whole intended audience thing? If you have an especially large stick up your butt about drugs you are not the intended audience for a song about dealing drugs. Your opinion on the song has no meaning. Only the opinions of the intended audience matter. If they don't like it, then it's a bad song.
 
 
2011 Feb 25 at 23:04 PST — Ed. 2011 Feb 25 at 23:28 PST
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I agree with aaronjer mostly, ha. And of course metalheads complain about hiphop and generally pop music, that's just the way it is. They like doing that.

Also, Lemmy is a serious douche. Declaring anyone who's not acting like him to be boring sounds pretty ridiculous. He obviously missed the zeitgeist. At the end it's the music that counts and the "rock-lifestyle" of which Lemmy is the last remaining defender is pretty much dead anyway (and so is rock music as well, kind of).

I for my part enjoy some rap here and there. For example the new Kanye West album is pretty badass. Although I don't really like the bragging and such, the whole album is musically extremely clever and sophisticated.
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2011 Feb 26 at 04:17 PST — Ed. 2011 Feb 26 at 04:19 PST
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I know I'm hard to agree with. I do talk like a complete dick.
 
 
2011 Feb 26 at 05:18 PST
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Music in rap is basically some edited sound files that have shitload of effects in them in order to sound cool,that's all about it.

To make things more simple - they don't know shit about real instruments
 
 
2011 Feb 28 at 18:55 PST — Ed. 2011 Feb 28 at 18:55 PST
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Outcast said:
Music in rap is basically some edited sound files that have shitload of effects in them in order to sound cool,that's all about it.

To make things more simple - they don't know shit about real instruments

You could say the same thing for almost every sub-genre of techno too. Yet, I like both rap AND techno (though I hate using the term techno, it's like saying you like "rock", yet there are so many different kinds of rock music).
 
 
2011 Feb 28 at 19:34 PST — Ed. 2011 Feb 28 at 19:34 PST
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There are actually lots of hip hop/rap groups that use real instruments. The Roots and RATM come to mind. And one of those is even good!
 
 
2011 Feb 28 at 20:44 PST
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Yea, The Roots are great. They do use samples too, though. But that's one point of rap music.
Outcast said:
Music in rap is basically some edited sound files that have shitload of effects in them in order to sound cool,that's all about it.

That makes it sound wayyyy wayy more easier than it actually is, bro. It's a different type of music and it's done a different way.

Haters gonna hate!
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2011 Mar 1 at 02:44 PST — Ed. 2011 Mar 1 at 02:46 PST
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Rap is kool dawg

Check out white and nerdy by weird al and tell me rap can't be considered slightly funny with lyrical themes!
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2011 Mar 1 at 05:10 PST
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I think the important thing that people with a viewpoint like Outcast need to remember is that good music is far harder to write than play. That, and it's far more important to be able to write it than play it. Tons of people can play a song correctly, but only one person was able to write it. Computers can do a pretty good job emulating the actual playing of music, but they certainly can't write it.
 
 
2011 Mar 1 at 10:25 PST
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aaronjer said:
I think the important thing that people with a viewpoint like Outcast need to remember is that good music is far harder to write than play. That, and it's far more important to be able to write it than play it. Tons of people can play a song correctly, but only one person was able to write it. Computers can do a pretty good job emulating the actual playing of music, but they certainly can't write it.


Uh no,practice (talking about instruments) takes a lot more than writing a song.Yeah,you can't always write a song that many people will listen to and go "holy fuck" but it's not very hard to write music,if you know scales and stuff.Let's say you wrote a song that has sixteenth notes in it,but you think it would sound better at about 180bpm but you can only play 100.Reaching there could take about a year or more in some cases.

molkman said:
Haters gonna hate!


Only people with no knowledge of music "hate" other genres of music,i don't hate anyone :)
 
 
2011 Mar 3 at 05:36 PST
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You can't always write a holy fuck song? Almost nobody can ever do that. Really amazing composers are far more rare than really amazing players. You can go on youtube and find an endless supply of people who can play an instrument extremely well... or more than one at once occasionally. You can't really say the same as far as composing goes. The majority of those musicians are just playing somebody else's stuff. They don't even try to write their own stuff, and for good reason! It's fucking hard!

Outcast said:
Let's say you wrote a song that has sixteenth notes in it,but you think it would sound better at about 180bpm but you can only play 100.Reaching there could take about a year or more in some cases.


Playing an instrument requires zero creativity, just manual dexterity, quick thinking and a lot of practice. Anybody without a disability and a lot of patience can eventually play a song perfectly. You could give the average person all the time in the world and they'd never come up with an amazing song. You're either good at it or you're not. Practice won't help you if you're not a natural. Something that you have to be born with, like creativity, is far rarer than something that can be practiced and perfected.

So I'm sort of wrong on one count, I guess, there are amazing composers who can come up with an incredible song in less than a day, and there are also people who are mentally incapable of it. Hard doesn't even factor into it in those cases. For someone who is just fairly creative though, it'd be a hell of a lot of work.

It's still much more important to be able to write it than play it, since you can always find yourself a willing musician... it just isn't necessarily harder.
 
 
2011 Mar 3 at 13:02 PST — Ed. 2011 Mar 3 at 13:13 PST
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2011 Mar 3 at 14:17 PST
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Outcast said:
Uh no,practice (talking about instruments) takes a lot more than writing a song.Yeah,you can't always write a song that many people will listen to and go "holy fuck" but it's not very hard to write music,if you know scales and stuff.Let's say you wrote a song that has sixteenth notes in it,but you think it would sound better at about 180bpm but you can only play 100.Reaching there could take about a year or more in some cases.

It's not like when you have learned how to "physically" write down notes and put them in right harmony you actually "write" a song. And you can't compare the time it takes learning an instrument with the time it takes to write a song. That's just one dimensional thinking. The idea for a great song might come quite fast or it might take ages. Anyway it is way harder than learning an instrument, as aaronjer said.

But then again, going from playing an instrument well to being a virtuoso, it takes the same as it takes to write an amazing song.
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2011 Mar 3 at 15:38 PST — Ed. 2011 Mar 3 at 15:39 PST
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Steps to writing great music :
1. Google for song lyrics, the structure should be verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-chorus
2. Have only 3 chords in the entire song.
4. Use midi drum beats
5. ???
6. Record yourself and profit!
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2011 Mar 3 at 16:49 PST
Outcast
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Who on earth has mastered his instrument,or at least be good at it and hasn't written a creative song?That's the most ignorant arguement i've ever seen on the internet.(especially on youtube)
 
 
2011 Mar 3 at 17:17 PST
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I'm sure their songs are just great. It has to actually be a good song that people want to listen to more than once... or even once.

An example would be a musician on Youtube will have 2,000,000 views for a cover song and like 10,000 for an original song. It's not always those exact numbers, but their covers are WAAAAY more popular than their original music. Cause writing music is really hard, and they suck at it.

There is an endless supply of people on the internet doing masterful covers of various music. The vast majority of those people can't write music for shit, and many don't even try. On the other hand, EVERY amazing composer is ALSO an amazing musician or singer. That means there are far less good composers than good musicians... it doesn't take a lot of thought to make the connection that JUST MAYBE composition is more difficult.
 
 
2011 Mar 3 at 17:26 PST — Ed. 2011 Mar 3 at 17:37 PST
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Outcast said:
Who on earth has mastered his instrument,or at least be good at it and hasn't written a creative song?That's the most ignorant arguement i've ever seen on the internet.(especially on youtube)


Dream Theater.
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2011 Mar 3 at 17:36 PST
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Another example is that in a band it's usually just one guy writing most of the music. Even if they're all good musicians only one of them is actually creative.
 
 
2011 Mar 3 at 17:40 PST
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aaronjer said:
Another example is that in a band it's usually just one guy writing most of the music. Even if they're all good musicians only one of them is actually creative.


Well aaronjer wins, since james writes everything for metallica and daron writes everything for soad(which means daron isn't as bad as everyone thinks)
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2011 Mar 3 at 17:41 PST
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There are rare cases of bands where more than one person writes the music... but boy howdy, are they rare!
 
 
2011 Mar 3 at 17:52 PST — Ed. 2011 Mar 3 at 17:52 PST
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